WyGLa”Da Na To, Z”e NaD+S”eDL” WL”aS’Nie Naj+WyZ”S”y C”aS, By Wy+DoByC’/T’, Z BaGNa KaMieNNe ToPo/o”/u/vRy BojoWe NaS”y(c)H SL”oWiaN’SKi(c)H PR”oDK/o”/u/vW i Z CaL”a” MoCa” uDeZ”/R”yC’/T’ Na NaS”eGo BeZ+LiToSNeGo i Do S”PiKu KoS’Ci Za+KL”aMaNeGo PR”eCiW+NiKa… C”yLi S’MieRC’/T’ Nie+PRaWDzie allo-allo!!!
SL”oWiaNKo i SL”oWiaNiNie, ML”oT LuB ToPo/o”u/vR W DL”oN’ i HajDa Na KoN’… i allo-allo KL”aMCo/o”/u/vW, Bij, TNij, TRaTo/o”/u/vj, GoN’!!!
09.04.2016 dodałem kilka najnowszych i ciekawych źródeł.
W nawiązaniu do ostatnich wpisów przedstawiam kilka najnowszych źródeł dotyczących językoznawstwa, genetyki, archeologii, czyli starej nauki itd. Robię to też i po to, żeby nie musieć w przyszłości np. użerać się z kimś, kto nie wie, nie zna, nie czytał, nie rozumie itp. np. tego co z tych wszystkich źródeł i dowodów wynika, np. dla rzekomych tzw. zapożyczeń od-irańskich, od-osetyjskich, od-hinduskich, od-germańskich i innych, „odnajdywanych” w j. słowiańskim, przez różnych allo-allo jęsykosnaftzóf i hałturytetóf. Gdyby ktoś jeszcze nie rozumiał, to piję do subkładu Z93, jak i haplogrupy G i ich występowania, itp.
Ci, co czytali artykuły poświęcone Osetyńcom, Kaukazowi, Germanom, językoznawstwie, genetyce itd, pewno nie odnajdą tu niczego niespodziewanego… bo najnowsze odkrycia i prace naukowe potwierdzają wszystko to, o czym piszę ja i mi podobni przeciwnicy przeciw-słowiańskiej doktryny allo-allo, opracowanej przez niemieckich rasistów i ich posłuszne i potulne sługi, zniewolone umysłowo, czy też finansowo… czy jak tam nie bądź…
Ci co nie czytali, niech lepiej je poczytają, bo tam i we wcześniejszych wpisach odnajdą to, o czym będzie mowa w następnych artykułach… w których będę odwoływał się do tych napisanych wcześniej i wiedzy i źródeł tam zawartych…
Miłego czytania życzę.
Antun Mihanović and his contribution to Slavonic-Sanskrit comparative studies
First public presentation of Russian-Sanskrit Dictionary of Common and Cognate Words
NEW VERSION OF RUSSIAN – SANSKRIT DICTIONARY OF COMMON AND COGNATE WORDS
New article “Non-Iranian origin of the Eastern-Slavonic god Xŭrsŭ/Xors” published
The Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European and the Proto-Indo-European World
J. P. Mallory andD. Q. Adams
Źródła genetyczne, archeologiczne i antropologiczne itp, nawiązujące bezpośrednio lub pośrednio do Słowian, a szczególnie Lechitów:
Ancient European Population History webcast
Scandinavians in medieval Poland
PCA of RISE595, RISE596 and RISE598
Bronze Age steppe warrior affinity test
The sun and the moon, Srubnaya people, and R1a-Z93
All Z93 samples so far are genetically really western shifted compared to Yamnaya. Sintashta for example was more western shifted than Erzya, Mordvins and other europid Uralics. That makes an Asian origin of Z93 unlikely and rather points to a West-East migration of Z93/Z94 starting from a place where they could take a lot of EEF wifes. The Poltavka R1a guy , who is also the oldest of the Poltavka samples, is genetically close to Srubnaya/Sintashta so he is probably representing an early intrusion of Z93 folks into Yamnaya/Poltavka and has the same origin like Sintashta/Srubnaya.
October 11, 2015 at 3:07 PM
Krefter, I agree, Z-93 is older than previously suggested.
October 11, 2015 at 10:20 PM
R1a-Z93/Z94 could not have existed among the native populations of both Eastern Europe and South Asia 2500-2000 BC. It’s obviously from Europe and represents European admixture in South Asia.
October 11, 2015 at 10:52 PM
I had a lot of that discussions elsewhere and know that you and others would still claim a Z93 origin in Central Asia/South Asia even if we would find the grave of the Z93 patriarch in Europe. Some basal R1a or R1a similar to Xiahoe will maybe be found in Pre-Andronovo South Central Asia but Z93 surely not. Z94 in South Asia is not even really diverse and R1a even less (only Z93 almost no Z93-). Rig vedic Indo-Aryans were pastoralist warlike semi-nomadic Indo-Europeans showing a lot of parallels to other Indo-Europeans. They praised Indra as destroyer of forts and Vedic rituals show exact parallels with Sintashta or Potapovka. There is significant NE European admixture among Indo-Aryans and Jatts and even some Brahmins have in some cases more NE European DNA than Pashtuns or Tajiks. But both are mainly L657 and Z2124 is just carried by a minority among them so you need to explain how they got it as mainly L657 carriers.
October 11, 2015 at 11:12 PM
Oldest basal R1a is actually found today among few ethnic Poles and Russians. Z93* was not found in South Asia yet and just Z94* among one sample from Punjab. I previously also mentioned that Uralic languages have Proto-Indic loanwords certainly not of Iranian origin. But Scythians or Saka were Iranian-speaking and we don’t know of any historical migration or presence of Indo-Aryans close to Uralics so in pre-historical times and prior to Scythians Proto-Indic languages were spoken not far away from Proto-Uralic languages. That is actually not really surprising because we knew already before than Indo-Aryans were the first Indo-Iranians which moved eastwards. BMAC is not relevant for the origin if Z94 and they were just Georgian-like teak farmers with a bit more ANE so they can be excluded as source for the EEF ancestry among Sintashta/Potapovka/Srubnaya. Yamnayas Near Eastern ancestry was more related to BMAC than that of Sintashta.
October 11, 2015 at 11:33 PM
R1a-Z93/Z94 could not have existed among the native populations of both Eastern Europe and South Asia 2500-2000 BC. Is this something new from you?, no its not, so i’m not going to answer,
October 12, 2015 at 5:04 AM
You were wrong and admit that. I was also wrong about other things in the past and I admit that. You are probably not even Z94 because someone carrying it would not argue such kind of things and would have no problem accepting a European origin of it. The only question about L657 or Z94 we need to answer now is where exactly they were born in Europe/North Eurasia. Explain the high NE Euro admixture among L657 Jatts for example and how Indo-Iranians speak Indo-European languages if they are originally not from Eastern Europe? Sooner or later we will get ancient DNA from Pre-IE Asia and no Z93/Z94 will be found there just like no R1b-L51 was found in Neolithic West Europe. If Sintashta/Srubnaya/Potapovka picked Z93 from BMAc than tell me how they show no genetic links to Central or South Asia and were genetically just the same like Lithuanians?
October 12, 2015 at 5:43 AM
What they’re saying there is that Z93 might be from somewhere like western Yamnaya, rather than Central Europe. I actually talked over e-mail to one of the authors about this. But again, it’s probably not worded too well.
October 17, 2015 at 12:32 AM
Recent admixture in West Eurasia (including Europe)
Finno-Ugric Poles in Kushniarevich et al. 2015
Testing for genetic continuity in Poland from the Bronze Age to the present
I doubt that there’s direct descent from corded ware groups.
There has been way too much flux between CWC and Piast Poland for that. Rather, modern Poles descend, for the most part, from several groups, some of which are indeed ancestral to CWC, but perhaps not those very same ones from bronze age Wielkopolska.
August 15, 2015 at 4:05 PM
What about the Slavic migrations? Did the Slavs come from east of Poland?
August 15, 2015 at 5:09 PM
I doubt it.
M458 is the Slavic marker and it peaks in Western Slavs, including Czechs and Slovaks, who don’t have much in common with East Slavs, at least relative to their western neighbors like Germans and Austrians.
August 15, 2015 at 5:40 PM
Where, in your opinion, do the other Slavic markers, viz., M558 and CTS10228 stand?
August 16, 2015 at 5:16 AM
M558 might be in large part a Baltic marker. The early Slavs expanded over a huge stretch of Baltic-speaking territory, so a lot of Slavs today, especially East Slavs, carry Baltic lineages.
CTS10228 probably derives from southern Poland, but its launching pad with the Slavic expansions to the Balkans was probably further east.
August 16, 2015 at 5:22 AM
M458 is not „the” slavic marker. It’s a marker which expanded (or subgroups within) c. 500 AD. Afaik, most R1a in the Balkans is from Z280
August 16, 2015 at 2:59 PM
Well I doubt the Proto-Slavs rushed for the Balkans as soon as they appeared.
Don’t conflate the birth of a people with their first major expansions.
August 16, 2015 at 4:54 PM
„Slavic” is a language, developing during late Roman times, as a ‚lingua franca’ of the trading communities around the Black Sea.
Thus there were never a „slavonic dna” – but rather a linguistic communion that developed the *slavonic-speaking’ peoples. Mist of them were formerly prt of the Bulgars, who used to share language with the Hungarians and the Venedae, aka Sarmatian/Scytian.
The spread of the slavonic language goes hand in hand with the spread of the Eastern Roman Empire to the north. Thus it was Method and Cyril who got the task to form a cyrilian writing-system, to cover the language that had developed around the northern areas of the Black Sea.
Since Justitian it kept conquering new grounds up north – especially along the trade-routes/waterways towards the Balkans and the Baltic Ocean, where the North European markets were.
Since the russians (also) submitted to the trade-union of Konstantiopel – and thus converted to the Greek church – the slavonic languages could spread all along the northern areas too, from the vendic Vistula (slavonic: Wizla) to the uralian Venedae/Vänejä/Russians.
The spread of the Slavonic languages – as well as the Greek church – are clearly a case of cultural diffusion, NOT demic.
August 17, 2015 at 4:01 AM
August 17, 2015 at 5:33 AM
Is there any line of reason, bassed on facts rather than assumptions – to explain such a blunt conclusion?
August 17, 2015 at 11:25 AM
„If some prospective descendants of the Eulau haplotype carries lived until today, theirs actual haplotype must have a difference of GD=2 – 4, for the regularities discovered until this time say that each haplotype begins to mutate in a certain number of generation. It means that people today being with such difference from the Eulau haplotype can deem themselves as prospective descendants or close relatives of the people burried in Eulau 4 600 years ago.”
„Haplotypes close to the Eulau haplotype up to a genetic distance 4 originate only from Norway, Great Britain, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Slovenia. Not untill the GD=5 the other European countries do occur.”
„This discovery represents another argument against the statement that each R1a haplogroup carrier living today in our country is of so-called Slavic origin. It is already the second support of the fact that R1a haplogroup has occured in middle Europe since the Neolith. It is likely that the people with haplotypes close to those from Eulau were the first, or the ones of them, who brought the R1a haplogroup to middle Europe.”
„The fact that the recent haplotypes closest to the one from Eulau can be found in Norway, Great Britain, Czech Republic and Slovakia can point to a probable origin of R1a amongst Celts and Germans.”
So the question remians – what haplotype is supposed to signify a „slavic” patriliniality (‚tribe’).
August 19, 2015 at 11:42 AM
Low resolution STR haplotypes won’t tell you much about R1a lineages, because 99% of the R1a in the world comes from a massive and rapid expansion and founder effect from Eneolithic Eastern Europe. The people expanding were early Indo-Europeans and ancestors of the Corded Ware.
That’s why using a few STR markers a Norwegian R1a can look a lot closer to an Indian R1a than to another Norwegian R1a.
Slavic R1a lineages are just a subset of this massive Corded Ware R1a expansion.
August 19, 2015 at 2:22 PM
Corded Ware in the Central and Southern Balkans
Around 65% LN/EBA European ancestry in the Hindu Kush (?)
Badasses of the Bronze Age: Analysis of Andronovo, Battle-Axe, Corded Ware and Sintashta genomes – part one
R1a1a from an Early Bronze Age warrior grave in Poland
Ancient East European and West Asian admixture deep in Siberia
Ancient DNA from Iron Age and Medieval Poland
Y-chromosome DNA from an Iberian Neandertal
The Srubnaya outlier
Inferring heterozygosity from ancient and low coverage genomes
Our ghost ancestors not so exotic after all
Higher than expected Denisovan admixture in South Asia
PC/nMonte open thread
Epic Bronze Age battle near the Baltic
R1a in Yamnaya
Rakhigarhi ancient DNA paper probably a while away
Indo-European phylogeny + Y-DNA R subclades
New insights into human adaptation and population structure thanks to ancient genomes
Extracting Neandertal and Denisovan DNA from the genomes of present-day Melanesians
Sintashta, BMAC and the Indo-Iranians
D-stats/nMonte open thread
D-stats/4mix tour of ancient Eurasia
Irano-Turko-Slavic roots of Ashkenazi Jews?
On a mission in India
Human pioneers interbred with Neanderthals ~100K years ago
Central Anatolian Neolithic farmers similar to European Neolithic farmers
Upright for all eternity
ANE admixture in Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer Kotias
Ancient European mito genomes suggest single major dispersal of non-Africans + Late Glacial population turnover in Europe
Ancient Greeks and Romans may have imported a whole new genetic cline into Europe
Four major ancestries in mainland India
The enigmatic headless Romans from York
Y-HG J2 has a deep and complex history in South Asia
Ancient genomes from Iron Age, Roman and Anglo-Saxon Britain
The Poltavka outlier
A cautionary tale from Armenia
Spatio-temporal segment sharing analysis featuring eight ancient genomes
Post your updated DNALand results! – Today
R1a-Z93 among priestly castes of Hinduists and Jews.
Great research paper with summary of modern aDNA breakthroughs
Loads of New mtDNA from Paleo-Europe
Neandertal Y-chromosome (finally)
mtDNA from 55 hunter-gatherers across 35,000 years in Europe
Humans in the central Siberian Arctic ~45,000 years ago
History of extant populations of India